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		<title>By: Tricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just reminds me of a good, old Southern saying. The more you stir shit, the worse it smells. Maybe it&#039;s not the most professional way to phrase it, but it seems most blogs are discussing everyone&#039;s private business matters, ethics, etc. on public blogs so what the hay? (I&#039;m referring to other blogs, this one is tame *ggg*)

Maybe that&#039;s not the most eloquent way to phrase the situation, but it holds pretty true.

It is sad that someone discussed doing such a thing, however, I believe they spoke or questioned out of desperation. And I agree with Toni, it just makes the rest of us look bad. Now I have more bad karma. Thanks, I needed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just reminds me of a good, old Southern saying. The more you stir shit, the worse it smells. Maybe it&#8217;s not the most professional way to phrase it, but it seems most blogs are discussing everyone&#8217;s private business matters, ethics, etc. on public blogs so what the hay? (I&#8217;m referring to other blogs, this one is tame *ggg*)</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s not the most eloquent way to phrase the situation, but it holds pretty true.</p>
<p>It is sad that someone discussed doing such a thing, however, I believe they spoke or questioned out of desperation. And I agree with Toni, it just makes the rest of us look bad. Now I have more bad karma. Thanks, I needed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angie--I stand by my original opinion, but I&#039;d like to say something to clarify.  When I said the &#039;author was agented&#039;, I meant that I assumed the agent would therefore steer this author in the right direction.  

No one condones this as a practice, plagurism and fraud have always been my strongest peeves in both my careers (not sure about during motherhood).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angie&#8211;I stand by my original opinion, but I&#8217;d like to say something to clarify.  When I said the &#8216;author was agented&#8217;, I meant that I assumed the agent would therefore steer this author in the right direction.  </p>
<p>No one condones this as a practice, plagurism and fraud have always been my strongest peeves in both my careers (not sure about during motherhood).</p>
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		<title>By: Dear Author.Com &#124; Author&#8217;s Rights When a Publisher Files Bankruptcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dear Author.Com &#124; Author&#8217;s Rights When a Publisher Files Bankruptcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] let me end with the a note of caution. I read on Angela James&#8217; blog that some Triskelion authors were debating online as to whether they could repackage their work [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] let me end with the a note of caution. I read on Angela James&#8217; blog that some Triskelion authors were debating online as to whether they could repackage their work [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Champagne</title>
		<link>http://nicemommy-evileditor.com/blog/2007/06/22/utterly-disgusted-take-two/comment-page-1/#comment-16512</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam Champagne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone just steered me to this blog. I work 40 hours a week with an hour commute each way, so what little time I have, I write.  I try not to get involved with this type of hype.

As a former Trisk author, I empathize with the heartbreak and frustrations of the other writers affected by the Triskelion closing their doors.  I saw the handwriting on the wall quite some time ago and got out.  I have letters releasing the rights of all my books.

I also see Angela&#039;s point of view as a publisher.  To protect her company, she has to be cautious.  I read the particular post in question and wrote it off as desperation, not as fact or an intent to commit a crime.    

A person pouring their heart out on the internet always runs the risk of appearing as the star in blogs.  It&#039;s a fact of life.  Human nature being what it is, there&#039;ll always be someone who gets pleasure from stirring up trouble.

I know it&#039;s difficult, but Trisk authors should take several deep breaths and move on.  Concentrate on their career by writing new material.  Put Trisk on the back burner until Trisk files bankruptcy.  No one knows what the Bankruptcy Trustee will decide until after the schedules are filed in court.  

Be patient.  Wait for the facts.  Otherwise, you&#039;ll be like this :chicken: 

Expend your energy in a positive way.  Write a new story and make it the best ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone just steered me to this blog. I work 40 hours a week with an hour commute each way, so what little time I have, I write.  I try not to get involved with this type of hype.</p>
<p>As a former Trisk author, I empathize with the heartbreak and frustrations of the other writers affected by the Triskelion closing their doors.  I saw the handwriting on the wall quite some time ago and got out.  I have letters releasing the rights of all my books.</p>
<p>I also see Angela&#8217;s point of view as a publisher.  To protect her company, she has to be cautious.  I read the particular post in question and wrote it off as desperation, not as fact or an intent to commit a crime.    </p>
<p>A person pouring their heart out on the internet always runs the risk of appearing as the star in blogs.  It&#8217;s a fact of life.  Human nature being what it is, there&#8217;ll always be someone who gets pleasure from stirring up trouble.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s difficult, but Trisk authors should take several deep breaths and move on.  Concentrate on their career by writing new material.  Put Trisk on the back burner until Trisk files bankruptcy.  No one knows what the Bankruptcy Trustee will decide until after the schedules are filed in court.  </p>
<p>Be patient.  Wait for the facts.  Otherwise, you&#8217;ll be like this :chicken: </p>
<p>Expend your energy in a positive way.  Write a new story and make it the best ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doreen,  I think I already said it wasn&#039;t the Trisk group I referred to. It really wasn&#039;t, promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doreen,  I think I already said it wasn&#8217;t the Trisk group I referred to. It really wasn&#8217;t, promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Minx Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minx Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Obviously writing  doesn&#039;t adequately convey tongue in cheek.  I remember questions like this being bandied about and I&#039;m sure I replied in my usually snarky way. We&#039;ve been kicked in the teeth and we&#039;re responding with grief and lashing out in anger. None of us is seriously trying to defraud anyone else since WE were just the victims of a fraud.  Perhaps we were naive to assume others would get that, since it&#039;s hard to get what it feels like if it&#039;s not happening to you.

Since you&#039;re a nice mommy (in addition to an evil editor) you can just treat us like the poor orphaned children we now are and say &quot;bad girls, play nicely&quot;.

Certainly none of us meant to start such a firestorm of controversy.  It&#039;s almost enough to make this disgruntled author believe in the power of the written word again. 

Just in case that threw anyone, I&#039;m just kidding! LOL Minx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Obviously writing  doesn&#8217;t adequately convey tongue in cheek.  I remember questions like this being bandied about and I&#8217;m sure I replied in my usually snarky way. We&#8217;ve been kicked in the teeth and we&#8217;re responding with grief and lashing out in anger. None of us is seriously trying to defraud anyone else since WE were just the victims of a fraud.  Perhaps we were naive to assume others would get that, since it&#8217;s hard to get what it feels like if it&#8217;s not happening to you.</p>
<p>Since you&#8217;re a nice mommy (in addition to an evil editor) you can just treat us like the poor orphaned children we now are and say &#8220;bad girls, play nicely&#8221;.</p>
<p>Certainly none of us meant to start such a firestorm of controversy.  It&#8217;s almost enough to make this disgruntled author believe in the power of the written word again. </p>
<p>Just in case that threw anyone, I&#8217;m just kidding! LOL Minx</p>
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		<title>By: Jaynie R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaynie R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Angie.  Glad you got a warning.  Do these authors realize how much legal shit the new publisher could get into if they did that?

I feel sorry for the Trisk dudes too, but they need to remember this is still a business, and being unprofessional won&#039;t help them get their books published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Angie.  Glad you got a warning.  Do these authors realize how much legal shit the new publisher could get into if they did that?</p>
<p>I feel sorry for the Trisk dudes too, but they need to remember this is still a business, and being unprofessional won&#8217;t help them get their books published.</p>
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		<title>By: Doreen Orsini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doreen Orsini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit, I rushed back to see what was said.  As you can imagine, there are quite a few authors dealing with this and that makes for hundreds of posts a day.  After finding that post, I agree with Lynne.  This was one author telling the authors who had contracts involved for books that were never released.  Do I feel this is the answer?  No.  Whether it was out or not, there is a chance that a company will buy it out of bankruptcy and want to publish it.  Again, the readers get hurt.  

I feel for these new authors who won&#039;t get to see their first sold book released.  My only advice to them is to get writing!  Make the next book even better.  We&#039;ve all been burnt.  I have heard that with the new bankruptcy laws, we should have our rights back once the trustee reads those contracts.  So, bide your time.  Create new series.  Dig up a heroine who is just as angry and frustrated as yourself and bring her to life!  
*stepping off of soapbox*
Doreen Orsini</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit, I rushed back to see what was said.  As you can imagine, there are quite a few authors dealing with this and that makes for hundreds of posts a day.  After finding that post, I agree with Lynne.  This was one author telling the authors who had contracts involved for books that were never released.  Do I feel this is the answer?  No.  Whether it was out or not, there is a chance that a company will buy it out of bankruptcy and want to publish it.  Again, the readers get hurt.  </p>
<p>I feel for these new authors who won&#8217;t get to see their first sold book released.  My only advice to them is to get writing!  Make the next book even better.  We&#8217;ve all been burnt.  I have heard that with the new bankruptcy laws, we should have our rights back once the trustee reads those contracts.  So, bide your time.  Create new series.  Dig up a heroine who is just as angry and frustrated as yourself and bring her to life!<br />
*stepping off of soapbox*<br />
Doreen Orsini</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne Connolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne Connolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to say that I love Ciar&#039;s post.
I started worrying about my Department 57 series (my preciousssss!!!) and then I realised I have some stories I&#039;ve been dying to write, and some refinements I always wanted to introduce.
While I still want to see the Department and my other books back on the virtual bookshelves, I would also like to explore these new areas.
And this is my chance. I&#039;m starting something new, and I&#039;m really excited about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to say that I love Ciar&#8217;s post.<br />
I started worrying about my Department 57 series (my preciousssss!!!) and then I realised I have some stories I&#8217;ve been dying to write, and some refinements I always wanted to introduce.<br />
While I still want to see the Department and my other books back on the virtual bookshelves, I would also like to explore these new areas.<br />
And this is my chance. I&#8217;m starting something new, and I&#8217;m really excited about it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ciar Cullen</title>
		<link>http://nicemommy-evileditor.com/blog/2007/06/22/utterly-disgusted-take-two/comment-page-1/#comment-16399</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciar Cullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sorry for what people are going through. I was one of an earlier round of authors to part ways with Triskelion, and I think we all left for different reasons. At the time I remember reading on various blogs why *I* left, which was amusing, since the person had it wrong. You&#039;ll find that your words, however private you think they are, will be made public, will be changed to suit the writer&#039;s agenda, and will come back to haunt you. Even if you don&#039;t say a thing, you&#039;ll be screwed by association. 

I had an easier time because I got my letter of release for everything years ago, but the emotional damage was suprising. Triskelion bought my first work, and I&#039;ll forever be grateful for that. The rest? I&#039;ll leave that be.

I only know that it&#039;s folly to assume that your work can just be handed off to another publisher easily. There are a few exceptions of course, and the stars will rise, for sure. It&#039;s gotten very competitive since I first subbed at various companies, and your old books may not cut it. I know I have to work ten times harder now to create a brand new book that will be accepted at Samhain, and that&#039;s my goal for this summer/Fall. I&#039;m not sure about other companies. I&#039;m not trying to scare anyone, I&#039;m just pointing out that I&#039;ve been at both spots and the standards are changing as things become more competitive. And if Triskelion was not on the up and up with you, do not assume that other companies aren&#039;t more professional and won&#039;t hold you to that professional standard. I guess Angie already made that point.

I know that pain and confusion and hurt will make you say things you&#039;ll regret later, perhaps much later. Really think now about how you want to be perceived next month, next year. I know I regret confiding in some &quot;friends.&quot; I don&#039;t mean to sound preachy, but I have sort of been through a minor version of what you are going through.

I&#039;ll give some advice, and you won&#039;t like it, but it&#039;s from the heart, so take it or tell me to kiss off, I&#039;m okay either way.

Start a new book. 

Bring your writing to a higher standard, shoot for the stars, and don&#039;t look back. I am nearly finished completely overhauling books that were published by Triskelion. Honestly, I wish I would have listened to a very wise woman and started from scratch! I&#039;ve even opted NOT to rerelease one of my old books for which I have a contract, because it doesn&#039;t meet my sense of what I&#039;m capable of.

Go forward. Again, I&#039;m terribly, terribly sorry and I wish everyone the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sorry for what people are going through. I was one of an earlier round of authors to part ways with Triskelion, and I think we all left for different reasons. At the time I remember reading on various blogs why *I* left, which was amusing, since the person had it wrong. You&#8217;ll find that your words, however private you think they are, will be made public, will be changed to suit the writer&#8217;s agenda, and will come back to haunt you. Even if you don&#8217;t say a thing, you&#8217;ll be screwed by association. </p>
<p>I had an easier time because I got my letter of release for everything years ago, but the emotional damage was suprising. Triskelion bought my first work, and I&#8217;ll forever be grateful for that. The rest? I&#8217;ll leave that be.</p>
<p>I only know that it&#8217;s folly to assume that your work can just be handed off to another publisher easily. There are a few exceptions of course, and the stars will rise, for sure. It&#8217;s gotten very competitive since I first subbed at various companies, and your old books may not cut it. I know I have to work ten times harder now to create a brand new book that will be accepted at Samhain, and that&#8217;s my goal for this summer/Fall. I&#8217;m not sure about other companies. I&#8217;m not trying to scare anyone, I&#8217;m just pointing out that I&#8217;ve been at both spots and the standards are changing as things become more competitive. And if Triskelion was not on the up and up with you, do not assume that other companies aren&#8217;t more professional and won&#8217;t hold you to that professional standard. I guess Angie already made that point.</p>
<p>I know that pain and confusion and hurt will make you say things you&#8217;ll regret later, perhaps much later. Really think now about how you want to be perceived next month, next year. I know I regret confiding in some &#8220;friends.&#8221; I don&#8217;t mean to sound preachy, but I have sort of been through a minor version of what you are going through.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give some advice, and you won&#8217;t like it, but it&#8217;s from the heart, so take it or tell me to kiss off, I&#8217;m okay either way.</p>
<p>Start a new book. </p>
<p>Bring your writing to a higher standard, shoot for the stars, and don&#8217;t look back. I am nearly finished completely overhauling books that were published by Triskelion. Honestly, I wish I would have listened to a very wise woman and started from scratch! I&#8217;ve even opted NOT to rerelease one of my old books for which I have a contract, because it doesn&#8217;t meet my sense of what I&#8217;m capable of.</p>
<p>Go forward. Again, I&#8217;m terribly, terribly sorry and I wish everyone the best.</p>
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